Would you Patrol?

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 02/11/2016 at 14:30 • Filed to: Poll time, Nissan, Patrol

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I mean...Armada*?

The new Armada is the old Patrol (y62) which is a very good, very tough and very attractive (imo) 8 seater built in Japan to be a direct competitor to the Land Cruiser. I have my own very strong biases towards Toyota (duh) but I’m not above a great alternative, which the Patrol/Armada legitimately is. Given that the new Armada is going to be available with cloth seats (!) and actual options the pricing should be in much less need of !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! than with the Land Cruiser and more in line with competitors like the Sequoia, Tahoe and Expedition. Granted I know that I lot of you aren’t in the market for 3 tons of anything but say you did need more than 5 seats, and have a good reason to tow more than 5000 lbs and you wanted something that could handle more than a dirt road. What would you choose, and why?

A few notes:

For pricing, the “S” will likely start in the mid 40's for 4x2 and go up to high 60's low 70's for platinum trim.

No rear locker option (off-road traction management standard)

No HBMC (Hydraulic Body Motion Control)

All 4x4 models are full time with automatic front axle engagement (ramping clutches that can vary between fully unlocked to fully locked) and locked clutches in low range.

Skid plates standard as well as the “off road” shock package.

built in Japan except the engine which is built in Tennessee

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A few more pictures

*Frankly I think that calling it an Armada is dumb since the old Armada was originally tacked onto the pathfinder name then dropped and since its sold so poorly anyway. This is like Subaru keeping the “Tribeca” name for its next large crossover despite the fact that its a really dumb name for a Subaru and doesn’t have many positive associations. Whats wrong with abandoning a bad model name with little brand presence? 10/10 would rebadge as a patrol.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 14:38

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I love the Land Cruiser, and if it weren’t my money I’d probably pick it, but if it were my money I’d go for the Armada Platinum. And I’d happily take either one over the hideous QXwhatevernumberwe’reon.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 14:40

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Stick the Cummins in it

HammerheadFistpunch > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/11/2016 at 14:42

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aint happenin’. They can’t even stick the cummins in the regular non-xd titan coming out because its only emissions compliant as an HD model.

HammerheadFistpunch > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 14:44

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FYI, the 18 inch tires are nearly 33 inch tires (32.6), fitting real 31 inch AT tires on there would be a snap.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 14:44

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Armada HD.

Speaking of which, we need a new Suburban/Tahoe 2500 with a Duramax.

HammerheadFistpunch > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/11/2016 at 14:45

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a coworker on mine has had his converted. mid 20's freeway, 660 lbs-ft of torque. Win.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 14:47

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Nope, it’s fat and lacks everything that made the Patrol the Patrol. This is like selling a Discovery without low range, what’s the point?

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 14:48

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LC is legendary, but I’ve been seeing a few Sequoias that look pretty good too;

HammerheadFistpunch > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/11/2016 at 14:49

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its got low range. but I do see your point. The truth is that we have to take what we can get these days and at least this is a good starting point.

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 02/11/2016 at 14:52

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I think an Armada with AT’s and bumpers would look great. oh wait...it do!

WiscoProud > vicali 02/11/2016 at 14:53

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I like that generation of sequoia for everything aside from the dash. It was big without being huge (unlike the 2nd get), had great clearance, and had a roll down rear window (personal favorite). I just really hated the column shifter and dash.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 14:55

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No I know it does, but it’s an option now so you’ll see them around.

Milky > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:03

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The mirror caps and fender vents look straight outta autozone. So no.

But the front is 100x better than the Infiniti QXwhale.

RallyWrench > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:09

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Not that one. Go back a few years, then yes.

HammerheadFistpunch > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/11/2016 at 15:10

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well 4wd is an option but not low range(all 4wd get low range). Besides, I see this as clearly more a sequoia competitor than a land cruiser competitor. That it will go off road is incidental. That it CAN go offroad with a little work is nice. I mean, it would take less work and it would work better to turn this into a trail rig than a sequoia or tahoe.

HammerheadFistpunch > Milky 02/11/2016 at 15:12

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Those damn fender vents. STOP IT NISSAN!

Wacko > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:14

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I would rock one,

since i already own its cross-dressing sibling.

HammerheadFistpunch > Wacko 02/11/2016 at 15:15

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Just think if you could combine those two into one car!

Wacko > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:17

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don’t try to convince me with a Toyota you.

HammerheadFistpunch > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:23

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Well I can see Party IV’s been here...

(write in votes)

Tim > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:32

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It’s crazy not to rename it or just call it the Patrol.
Since the Armada has a name, it’s just not a good one:

http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/consumer…

HammerheadFistpunch > Tim 02/11/2016 at 15:34

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Exactly, its not like the Armada has strong ties...nor does Armada really connote the kind of feelings most Americans want anyway. Patrol has some of that too, but its got such a lineage as to ignore that.

misfitmascots > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:36

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Yep. I like it, probably will look at it when it hits local showrooms.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:36

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I was speaking of the LR4 and not the Disco Sport, it has an option for a single speed transfer case which is just silly.

It would take less to turn into a trail rig, but why would you? It’s a massive vehicle and there are so many better options out there. When I was working of the State surveying beach erosion we had a Tahoe and it was terrible on the beach. I can’t see anyone wanting a trail rig looking at that and going “yeah I think that pig would be great on the trails”.

Milky > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:38

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*shudders* I forgot about those.

HammerheadFistpunch > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 02/11/2016 at 15:39

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Oh man, the single speed T-case option on the LR4 pisses me off to no end...but...I understand that its the only 7 seat “school run” suv they had so it only made sense.

As for the Tahoe...they just suck offroad...for reals. But yeah, the Patrol is a big boy, in my best overland vehicle in america bit it was the size cutoff.

HammerheadFistpunch > misfitmascots 02/11/2016 at 15:40

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try and find an S model to test. Im curious to see if they will even sell 20% of that model.

HammerheadFistpunch > Milky 02/11/2016 at 15:41

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turns out they both are purely vestigial AND perforate the panel. Worst of both worlds.

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:53

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*votes Sequoia*

dat bias

Not sure why they didn’t release this in USA at the same time as the current-gen QX...

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 02/11/2016 at 15:55

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Yeah, the lone dissenter! As for why this wasn’t always a patrol? something something synergy something buzzword something they aren’t selling at ALL as patrols in other markets and probably have huge overcapacity.

Blind Willy > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:57

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I wouldn’t have thought that the Armada was a contender but a buddy I wheeled with last year has done some pretty impressive stuff in his.
(NOT this model)

He did Big Bend with us last year, I read that he got part way up “Top Of The World” in Utah.
I can’t post photos from work, but I can link a video.

If I wasn’t in love with my vehicle, I might give this one a go :)

AM3R shamefully returns > Nibby 02/11/2016 at 15:57

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Do you still have your sequoia? How was it?

misfitmascots > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:58

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I will, I think depending on the differences in price will probably determine how they sell.

MultiplaOrgasms > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 15:58

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Only if it’ll TD42.

Nibby > AM3R shamefully returns 02/11/2016 at 16:00

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Well, it’s my dad’s but I still drive it a fair amount. I like it a lot for the most part except for the gas mileage bit. I get 3-6 mpg better in my Ram but that also weighs several hundred less.

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/2014-toyota-se…

HammerheadFistpunch > MultiplaOrgasms 02/11/2016 at 16:02

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What about TB48DE (4.8 liter I6 with vvt 276 hp and 295 lbs-ft)?

I hear it likes boost.

HammerheadFistpunch > Blind Willy 02/11/2016 at 16:04

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That it only made it part way up Top of the World is telling, since its not THAT tough, but probably tougher than the old Titan based truck could probably muster. I mean a 3rd gen 4runner with spacer lift and 31 inch tires (and no locker) did it...just.

That being said they are durable and affordable. The new Armada, being a patrol, is going to be one tough truck. I mean

Blind Willy > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 16:11

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Well if I ever total mine, I’ll compare this one and the newer 4Runner I’m sure.
Hope I didn’t just jinx myself.

MultiplaOrgasms > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 16:20

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So does TD

Loping Camshaft > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 17:19

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I think it’s great. I think your pricing is a little high though.

If money were no object, I vote ‘Cruiser, but if we’re talking, say $20 difference, I’d have no problem with the Parmada. No lockers, but ARB (and probably others) already have a full catalog of parts that should bolt right up, air-lockers included.

HammerheadFistpunch > Loping Camshaft 02/11/2016 at 17:23

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It might be a little high. I looked at Nissan.au and found an SV model equiv is going for about 50 grand converted and used that for my guide...that being said that represents a 12 grand price cut since they are selling so poorly alongside the y61 patrol. You could always swap in a factory e-locker from Australia or the UAE

LionZoo > Loping Camshaft 02/11/2016 at 17:40

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Agree with this 100%.

Loping Camshaft > Loping Camshaft 02/11/2016 at 17:48

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*Edit: a $20,000 difference

vicali > MultiplaOrgasms 02/11/2016 at 17:49

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I like this livery..

HammerheadFistpunch > Loping Camshaft 02/11/2016 at 18:22

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Also, I agree with your assessment. If I was buying new 20-30 grand makes for a LOT of expo gear.

Loping Camshaft > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 18:28

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What a Y62 with ALL the expo gear might look like:

HammerheadFistpunch > Loping Camshaft 02/11/2016 at 18:29

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See? its not all bad at all! although...wow...the running boards are still crazy low.

Loping Camshaft > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 18:35

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After looking around, that looks like it might be a bit of an issue. A bit more lift should help that out though, right?

adamftw > HammerheadFistpunch 02/11/2016 at 21:06

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I really like the way it looks. Would I buy it new? Not without all the Aussie-spec goodies. I’d think about getting a one used.. secondhand QX80 prices are INSANE low.

Still waiting for the 2017 Navara Pro-4X (please, Nissan USA.. Please?)

Rufant v1.0 > HammerheadFistpunch 02/12/2016 at 00:50

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Well after reading this I finally bothered to answer one of those questions that had popped into my head on the (very) rare occurrence I actually saw one of these. Is it new suspension or is it just the Y61 chassis with a new body?

Well I looked on the Nissan website and that says independent suspension front AND rear, that I did not expect. So they obviously pumped a fair bit of cash into developing this, not sure it is a Patrol as we know it anymore though...

Which is fine really, that’s the way things are now, only the Land Cruiser really still bridges the gap between ‘luxury’ and ‘credible’ off road/overland vehicle. Range Rover can still technically cut it off road, but you would have to be a mad man to overland one.

They just need to fix the engine (or at least it’s reputation) in the Y61 and offer that worldwide as their Defender/70 series competitor. Then it all makes sense!

BTW I priced up the Ti Patrol = AU$76,616
equivalent GXL 200 LC = AU$89,150

Y61 DX = AU$58,585

There is only one good Armada...

Cation > HammerheadFistpunch 02/15/2016 at 03:16

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Just to clarify, the patrol has become the armada, not the other way around. Nissan just threw the patrol badge on the QX/armada chassis and called it a day. They still make the y61's so the legend lives for now.

HammerheadFistpunch > Cation 02/15/2016 at 10:14

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Untrue, the y62 and armada have never been related until right now with armada badges stuck on a patrol. The old qx56 was a luxed up armada (suv titan pickup) but the current qx80 and y62 patrol aren’t related to that platform at all.

HammerheadFistpunch > Cation 02/15/2016 at 10:45

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Re read your comment and I think I see what you’re saying. You’re just saying that the new model that’s picture above won’t be called the patrol it will be called the Armada. Which is true. I thought you were saying that the patrol / Armada pictured above was originally derived from the Old Armada platform which it isn't

Cation > HammerheadFistpunch 02/15/2016 at 13:37

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Your initial impression was correct. While the new y62 chassis isn’t a direct copy of the old JA60(armada/qx56) it’s most definitely influenced by it.

HammerheadFistpunch > Cation 02/15/2016 at 13:42

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influenced? Maybe, but they are very different chassis for different buyers.

Cation > HammerheadFistpunch 02/15/2016 at 16:12

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How so? Both are body on chassis, have ifs and irs and both have a vk56 V8 (different versions). With that in mind we both know why the independent suspension is there and nissans primary market (soccer moms). That being said the market for the y62 is not the same as the y61. Sales in Australia have shown that.

Even if it had no influence from the previous gen, in my opinion it’s not engineered to appropriately replace the y61.

BJ > HammerheadFistpunch 02/20/2016 at 11:03

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It’s pretty ugly, isn’t it? Except maybe for the straight-on view, which is very muscular.

The overhangs could use a bit of trimming, but for the price it’s an interesting option.

Somethin' 'bout a truck > HammerheadFistpunch 03/11/2016 at 15:27

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Honestly, the Armada is a nice truck. But I could never spend that much money and not buy a Land Cruiser.

HammerheadFistpunch > Somethin' 'bout a truck 03/11/2016 at 15:27

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its going to be 20 grand less than a land cruiser, at least in the US.

Somethin' 'bout a truck > HammerheadFistpunch 03/11/2016 at 15:43

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Before options right? Or are we talking about “comparable” trims/features?

HammerheadFistpunch > Somethin' 'bout a truck 03/11/2016 at 15:48

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US market Land cruisers have 1 price and its $83,825 and while pricing hasn’t been announced for this yet I expect it to top out mid to high 60's. You could even get a cloth seat patrol for probably half what a Land Cruiser costs. Given that the Patrol is also built in Japan and has a heritage nearly as prestigious as the Land Cruiser I would guess that its a well build vehicle.